Forum Archive : Chouettes

Mandatory beaver

From:   David Montgomery
Date:   15 January 1999
Subject:   Re: Chouette Questions
Google:   77o5bn$

DD Wright writes:
> Chouette Questions
> in a chouette where everyone has their own cube, if the box
> doubles everyone (let say it is the first time a cube has been thrown),
> we have a rule that if all but one drops, the take must beaver

This is a bad rule.  The intent of this rule is to prevent a lone
taker from keeping a game going with all the other crew members out
of the action.  It has this effect, but it also has the effect of
punishing players who would make correct taking decisions even when
they are in the minority.

A good rule is this:
  On an initial cube turn, when the box doubles everyone simultaneously,
  if fewer than half of the crew members take the cube, these takers must
  be willing to accept extras from the droppers.

When a dropper gives a taker an extra, the dropper pays the taker 1 point
and gives the taker a 2-cube.  This amounts to a side bet between these
two players one whether the position is a drop or a take.

The dropper willingly gave up 1 point, so he must believe that the taker
will lose more than 1 point on average.  The taker, on the other hand,
accepted the box's cube rather than give up one point, so she must believe
that she will lose less than 1 point on average.  The extra allows the
two players to make a bet where each has implicitly indicated that the
bet favors them.

This rule has the same desired effect.  First, players will be less
likely to take in the minority, since to do so they will have be willing
to put more money at risk.  Second, no one ever needs to be out of the
action, since if there are minority takers, the droppers can get back
into the game by giving an extra cube, and they can make a profit in
doing so if they are right.

This rule avoids the undesired effect of punishing players who make the
correct decision to take.

> Can the dropper who was taken up on the side action consult with the
> box?

Rules on this may vary from chouette to chouette, but I firmly believe
that the droppers should not be allowed to consult with box on any
checker plays.  When a player takes against the box, she may be taking
because of the way she expects the box to play.  Positions that are
correct takes against the box may become drops when others are allowed
to consult.

Regarding recubes, my preference is that the cubes stay independent -- the
box and each dropper who gave an extra decide independently whether to take
or drop recubes (and should it arise, whether to re-recube). There are good
arguments for both ways of doing it however.

David Montgomery
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