Snowie

Forum Archive : Snowie

 
Snowie vs. Jellyfish

From:   Gregg Cattanach
Address:   gcattanach@prodigy.net
Date:   26 September 2000
Subject:   Re: Snowie vs. Jellyfish
Forum:   rec.games.backgammon
Google:   8qq1mq$6mla$1@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com

IMO, Snowie is worth all $380, but I'm very serious about this silly game
:-)   The choices, options, and user interface are vastly superior in
Snowie vs. Jellyfish.  Also, it is pretty clear that Snowie continues to be
developed, where Jellyfish hasn't had any new work done (other than an
improved user interface in version 3.5).   Snowie's last 3.0 was a huge
step forward in including cubeful results in all analysis.

The myriad of rollout choices and ability to analyze entire matches in a
single step makes Snowie a superior analytical product.

As to the prices vs. chess software, the size of the market is the main
factor that keeps Jellyfish and Snowie rather highly priced.

Gregg Cattanach
Zox at GamesGrid, Zone
http://gateway.to/backgammon
ICQ #2266410
gcattanach-SKIP-@prodigy.net

Michael Howard  writes:

Oasya claim Snowie 3-ply to play around 2100 which is corroborated by play
on the Online servers.  Jellyfish is purported to play around 2000 which is
again proved in practice.

My experience in playing the two myself and playing them against each other
indicates Snowie to be stronger by about 100 Elo (IMO). A 10 x 25pt match
series between the two was played and is documented on the web (just look
via the various BG portals).

Snowie won 7-3 which again could justify 2100 vs 2000 ratings respectively.
They are both very strong. But positions posted here where they disagree,
when rolled out, usually show Snowie to evaluate more accurately.
We eagerly await the long overdue JellyFish R4.

Michael Howard
 
Did you find the information in this article useful?          

Do you have any comments you'd like to add?     

 

Snowie

Announcement  (Olivier Egger, Apr 1998) 
Checker-play-according-to-score bug  (Peter Schneider+, June 2001) 
Error rates  (Gregg Cattanach, Oct 2000) 
Hints and questions  (Achim Müller+, Aug 1998) 
Luck calculation  (Gregg Cattanach+, Dec 1999) 
Questions and answers  (David Montgomery, Dec 1998) 
Running in low priority  (lmfback+, Oct 2004) 
Snowie 4.0  (SnowieGroup Info, Oct 2002) 
Snowie 4.3 update  (Gregg Cattanach, July 2005)  [GammOnLine forum]
Snowie cube evaluation  (Kit Woolsey, Sept 2007)  [GammOnLine forum]
Snowie vs GNU  (Stanley E. Richards+, Oct 2005)  [GammOnLine forum]
Snowie vs. Jellyfish  (Mark Driver, Apr 2001) 
Snowie vs. Jellyfish  (Daniel Murphy, Oct 2000) 
Snowie vs. Jellyfish  (Gregg Cattanach+, Sept 2000) 
Snowie vs. Jellyfish  (Wayne Crookes, Jan 1999) 
Snowie vs. Jellyfish  (Kenneth M. Arnold+, May 1998)  [Long message]
Terminology  (Alexander Nitschke, Sept 1998) 
Using rollouts  (Michael J. Zehr+, Oct 1998)  [Long message]

[GammOnLine forum]  From GammOnLine       [Long message]  Long message       [Recommended reading]  Recommended reading       [Recent addition]  Recent addition
 

  Book Suggestions
Books
Cheating
Chouettes
Computer Dice
Cube Handling
Cube Handling in Races
Equipment
Etiquette
Extreme Gammon
Fun and frustration
GNU Backgammon
History
Jellyfish
Learning
Luck versus Skill
Magazines & E-zines
Match Archives
Match Equities
Match Play
Match Play at 2-away/2-away
Miscellaneous
Opening Rolls
Pip Counting
Play Sites
Probability and Statistics
Programming
Propositions
Puzzles
Ratings
Rollouts
Rules
Rulings
Snowie
Software
Source Code
Strategy--Backgames
Strategy--Bearing Off
Strategy--Checker play
Terminology
Theory
Tournaments
Uncategorized
Variations

 

Return to:  Backgammon Galore : Forum Archive Main Page