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Robertie: Advanced Backgammon
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I recently purchased a copy of Robertie's Advanced Backgammon (both
volumes), I'm finding the books rather difficult though. I've started
playing backgammon beginning of this year and have read Paul Magriel's
Backgammon several times (3-4 times) and have understood the concepts
and noticed that my game improved much after Magriel. But Robertie's
Advanced Backgammon seem to be too difficult for me at the moment so I'm
wondering what people here would recommend me to do. Are there good
books out there targeting an audience whose ability is between Magriel's
Backgammon and Robertie's Adv. Bg.? Another thing I noticed which is
discourging me a little is that Robertie's analysis is quite deep and
extensive requiring much time to think about which isn't the discourging
part but rather that it is hard for me to imagine that I have to come up
with all this analysis in the few seconds I have to make my move! It
looks like it takes 15-20 minutes to solve some of Robertie's problems
but in FIBS people start swearing at you if you take 20 seconds ;-) so
I'm kind of discouraged! So what would you people advise me to do?
Stop being a wimp and sit down and try to absorb Robertie's Adv. Bg. or
maybe look for some other book in the meanwhile? Don't get me wrong, I
think Adv. Bg. is very good, it's just targeted for the more
advanced-expert player IMHO.
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Gregg Cattanach writes:
Robertie's analysis IS extremely detailed throughout 'Adv. Backgammon', but
that is its best quality. You can just skip over some of it, and realize
that a lot of what he describes is not necessarily what an expert player
actually does over-the-board. Especially all of the estimates of number of
wins/losses/gammon in 36 games. Some may attempt this much detail, but in
your head you can only do so much.
Keep chugging through these two books, they really do show you the things
you should try to consider while analyzing positions. Lots of book just
give the 'answer' and a flip reason why, but especially in this book, you
can see how he got to the conclusion. Also beware, because perhaps 5% or
so of the positions give the 'wrong' answer in light of what we know now
with the neural nets.
For the intermediate, I'd also recommend Robertie's 501 Positions. Lots
more positions, much less detailed but still interesting analysis, and nice
logical groupings of the positions. And it is formatted like a quiz where
you can guess first and then go look up the answer.
Gregg C.
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Brad Davis writes:
I have rolled out all these positions with Snowie 3.2 and I can tell
you about 25% of these positions have errors. Some errors being very large.
I will go as far as saying people (without the rollouts) should NOT read
these volumes as they contain too many errors.
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Douglas Zare writes:
We get much of our information from imperfect sources, and it is valuable
both to have such sources and to have indications of their errors. I
wouldn't stop recommending Magriel's _Backgammon_ because of the bad advice
about action plays and the opening 5-3. There is too much good stuff, such
as the emphasis on the golden point and the unrivaled discussion of
duplication. I just warn my students not to take it as gospel.
I think there are far too many good ideas to skip these books.
Incidentally, there are many more than 400 positions discussed, as many of
the problems have multiple variations, and Robertie makes a lot of side
comments about nondiagrammed changes in the position that would affect
decisions.
I've often disagreed with the analysis of particular positions. If it is by
a lot, then I follow Robertie's other advice, and play the position out by
hand (or more commonly now, with Jellyfish interactive rollouts). Sometimes
I get to adjust my intuition. Sometimes Robertie is dead wrong, but then I
understand a common misunderstanding that my opponents will have.
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- Bagai: Classic Backgammon Revisited #100 (Raccoon, Nov 2004)
- Bagai: Classic Backgammon Revisited--Errata (Jeremy Bagai+, Apr 2005)
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- Ball: Alpha Backgammon (James Takahashi+, May 1994)
- Ballard & Weaver: Backgammon Openings Book A (Marty Storer, Jan 2008)
- Ballard & Weaver: Backgammon Openings Book A (Mislav Radica, Nov 2007)
- Ballard & Weaver: Backgammon Openings Book A (Rob Adams+, Oct 2007)
- Ballard & Weaver: Backgammon Openings Book A (Gregg Cattanach, Oct 2007)
- Ballard & Weaver: Backgammon Openings Book A (Neil Kazaross+, Jan 2005)
- Ballard & Weaver: Backgammon Openings--Volunteers needed (Nack Ballard, June 2007)
- Barr: Barr on Backgammon (Walter Swan+, Feb 1996)
- Becker: Backgammon for Blood (Gus, Mar 2003)
- Becker: Backgammon for Blood (PTaber+, June 1999)
- Becker: Backgammon for Blood (Michael Fuhrmann, Aug 1997)
- Becker: Backgammon for Blood (Daniel Murphy, July 1997)
- Becker: Backgammon for Blood (Durf Freund+, May 1994)
- Bell: Winning with the Doubling Cube (&Atilda;˜ystein Johansen+, Apr 2006)
- Bell: Winning with the Doubling Cube (André Nicoulin, Oct 2000)
- Bell: Winning with the Doubling Cube (David Montgomery, May 1999)
- Bell: Winning with the Doubling Cube (Peter Bell, Aug 1998)
- Bell: Winning with the Doubling Cube (Jacques Torrione, Feb 1998)
- Bell: Winning with the Doubling Cube (Robert Scibelli, Dec 1997)
- Bell: Winning with the Doubling Cube (Kevin Bastian, Nov 1997)
- Bray: Backgammon for Blood (Chris Bray, Sept 2007)
- Bray: Backgammon to Win (Chris Bray, June 2007)
- Bray: Backgammon to Win, second edition (Chris Bray, Aug 2012)
- Bray: Backgammon--An Independent View (Chris Bray, May 1998)
- Bray: Backgammon--An Independent View Revisited (Chris Bray+, Jan 2005)
- Bray: Second Wind (Chris Bray, May 2007)
- Bray: What Colour is the Wind? (Chris Bray+, June 2002)
- Bray: What Colour is the Wind?--Rerelease (Chris Bray, Sept 2006)
- Brooks: Backgammon's Best Openings and Replies (Chuck Bower+, Dec 2004)
- Clay: Backgammon Winning Strategies (Michael Strato, Nov 1999)
- Clay: Backgammon Winning Strategies (Gary Wong, Jan 1998)
- Cooke & Bradshaw: Backgammon--The Cruelest Game (Chuck Bower+, Aug 1998)
- Cooke & Orléan: Championship Backgammon (Timothy Chow+, Apr 2011)
- Cooke & Orléan: Championship Backgammon (Marty Storer, Sept 2004)
- Cooke: Paradoxes and Probabilities (Neil Kazaross+, Sept 2004)
- Cooke: Paradoxes and Probabilities (Peter van Arkel+, Sept 2002)
- Cooke: Paradoxes and Probabilities (Donald Kahn, Dec 1998)
- Cooke: Paradoxes and Probabilities (Stephen Turner, Apr 1996)
- Corbett: Backgammon Problems (Stick+, Jan 2008)
- Deyong: The Playboy Book of Backgammon (Shuman Lloyd Lee, Aug 1991)
- Dwek: Backgammon for Profit (Bob Stringer, Sept 2002)
- Euler: Everyday Errors in Checker Play (BaronGossettEulerPhD+, June 2012)
- Garal: Fair Backgammon Tournament Rules (Jakob Garal, June 2007)
- Heinrich & Woolsey: New Ideas in Backgammon (Douglas Zare, Mar 2003)
- Heinrich & Woolsey: New Ideas in Backgammon (Craig E. Groeschel+, Sept 1998)
- Heinrich & Woolsey: New Ideas in Backgammon (David Montgomery, May 1997)
- Heyken & Fischer: The Backgammon Handbook (Martin Fischer, Sept 1998)
- Heyken & Fischer: The Backgammon Handbook (Marina Smith, Feb 1998)
- Hickey & Storer: What's Your Game Plan? (Timothy Chow, May 2011)
- Jacoby & Crawford: The Backgammon Book (Patrick Wilken, Aug 1991)
- Kansil: The Backgammon Quiz Book (Daniel Murphy, July 1997)
- Kansil: The Backgammon Quiz Book--Five problems (Chuck Bower, Oct 1997)
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- Kennedy & Papazian: Backgammon Master Games (Ben Fairbank+, Apr 1999)
- Kershaw: Backgammon Funfair (Tom Keith+, July 2012)
- Kershaw: Backgammon Funfair (Peter Bennet, May 2012)
- Lamford: 100 Backgammon Puzzles (Harold Simon+, Oct 2001)
- Lamford: 100 Backgammon Puzzles (Mark Driver, July 2001)
- Lamford: 100 Backgammon Puzzles--Snowie analysis (Michael Schell, Oct 2001)
- Lamford: Improve Your Backgammon (Alef Rosenbaum, May 2003)
- Leet: Winning Backgammon (Ryan Long, Apr 2002)
- Leet: Winning Backgammon (MW Book Review, July 1999)
- Lortz: Double ... now: An Authentic Cube Remedy (Chuck Bower+, Jan 2004)
- Mabardi & Luce: Vanity Fair's Backgammon to Win (Paul Tanenbaum, Feb 1998)
- Magriel: Backgammon (Baldo+, Mar 2004)
- Magriel: Backgammon (Neil Kazaross, July 2003)
- Magriel: Backgammon (Chuck Bower, Nov 1999)
- Magriel: Backgammon (Dean Gay, Sept 1999)
- Magriel: Backgammon (David Montgomery+, Aug 1997)
- Magriel: Backgammon--2004 Edition (Tom Keith+, Dec 2004)
- Magriel: Backgammon--GnuBG evaluations (Randy, July 2008)
- Martyn: Phillip Martyn on Backgammon (Steve Brorens+, Nov 1996)
- Munchkin: Gambling Wizards (Chuck Bower, Aug 2003)
- Obolensky & James: Backgammon the Action Game (Edward D. Collins+, Oct 1999)
- Reese & Brinig: Backgammon: The Modern Game (Al Mirpuri+, Sept 2011)
- Robertie: 501 Essential Backgammon Problems (Paul Epstein, July 2005)
- Robertie: 501 Essential Backgammon Problems (Albert Silver, Nov 2002)
- Robertie: 501 Essential Backgammon Problems (Tore Fredriksen, July 2002)
- Robertie: 501 Essential Backgammon Problems (Erik M Sørensen, May 2000)
- Robertie: 501 Essential Backgammon Problems (Daniel Hollis, May 2000)
- Robertie: 501 Essential Backgammon Problems #75 (Hardy Hübener+, Nov 2005)
- Robertie: Advanced Backgammon (Doni+, Jan 2005)
- Robertie: Advanced Backgammon (Scott Steiner+, Sept 2002)
- Robertie: Advanced Backgammon (James Eibisch, Jan 1998)
- Robertie: Advanced Backgammon (Allen R. Adams, Nov 1995)
- Robertie: Advanced Backgammon #165 (Peter Grotrian+, Mar 2005)
- Robertie: Advanced Backgammon--Errata (Matt Senecal+, Nov 2004)
- Robertie: Advanced Backgammon--JF rollouts (Øystein Johansen, June 2001)
- Robertie: Advanced Backgammon--JF rollouts (Alexander Nitschke, Feb 1997)
- Robertie: Advanced Backgammon--JF rollouts (Peter Fankhauser, Jan 1996)
- Robertie: Backgammon for Winners (Carl Tait, Aug 1998)
- Robertie: Backgammon for Winners (Gerry Tesauro, Oct 1993)
- Robertie: Modern Backgammon (Mattias+, Apr 2003)
- Robertie: Modern Backgammon (Gregg Cattanach, Oct 2002)
- Robertie: Modern Backgammon (Frank Mazza+, May 2002)
- Robertie: Reno 1986 (AH+, Aug 2007)
- Shiina: Cube Action 1000 (Mochy, Feb 2013)
- Steed: Backgammon: The Meanest Game (Albert Steg, Aug 1998)
- Stern: Backgammon: The Quick Course to Winning Play (Mark Driver, May 2001)
- Storer: Backgammon Praxis (Chase+, Apr 2007)
- Storer: Backgammon Praxis (Marty Storer+, May 2004)
- Thorne's Backgammon Tactics (Reprint) (Sam Sloan, July 2012)
- Tremaine: Amazing Book of Backgammon (Jim Wallace, Feb 1998)
- Trice: Backgammon Boot Camp--2nd edition (Jeremy Bagai+, June 2007)
- Tzannes brothers: Backgammon Games and Strategies (Mark Driver, Apr 2001)
- Tzannes brothers: Backgammon Games and Strategies (Albert Steg, May 1994)
- Tzannes brothers: How Good Are You at Backgammon? (Mark Driver, July 2001)
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- Woolsey & Beadles: 52 Great Backgammon Tips (Paul Epstein+, Dec 2007)
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- Woolsey & Jones: Understanding Backgammon (Jon Nall+, Feb 2004)
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