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The take/pass decision

From:   Otis
Date:   31 August 2007
Subject:   A limited rule of thumb for takes?
Google:   NLVBi.51392$

For all us intermediates:

When UNCERTAIN about a take/pass decision against a strong opponent, TEND
to take when the last sequence of moves did not result in a large equity

The logic is that a strong opponent will tend to correctly double before he
loses his market.  It seems to have improved my take decisions against GNU.

Don Zaemon  writes:

I have a friend who bases a lot of his takes on that idea if he's playing a
very strong player.  He basically says: "This world class player wouldn't
think of losing his market here, so I take."

It certainly saves him a lot of energy in unfamiliar cube positions but if
his opponents know that he does his decisions that way, they might start
trying to push him so far into pass territory he'll have to wake up and
start analyzing the positions.

Gregg Cattanach  writes:

Against robots especially, this is always a good way to go and your
analysis is correct (bots don't lose their market unless they couldn't help
it through some major joker sequence).  Against a bot if you had the option
of only taking every cube or dropping every cube, you would do VASTLY
better taking all the cubes.

This is also a good approach for the beginner against real opponents.
Unless you are certain that a game is hopeless, you should take every cube.
Also, for the beginner who hasn't enough experience to evaluate various
position types: as soon as you merely SUSPECT you are some sort of strong
favorite in the game, double.  This will give you much better results that
waiting until you KNOW you are the favorite.
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