Forum Archive : Rulings

Cocked dice

From:   Rodney Lighton
Date:   12 July 2012
Subject:   Dice lands on corner
Forum: Forums

Recently one of the dice landed on its corner, both players looked amazed;
the player on roll was about to reach for the dice to re-roll when the dice

What is the ruling?

Note that it is fairly easy to topple a dice that has landed on its corner
by gently kicking the table. If the dice that has landed flat is favourable
for the player, then it is in their interests to kick the table.

Stick  writes:

If a die gets stuck on its corner in the middle of the board the on-roll
player should verbally announce/ask "Cocked?"  When the other player
answers "Yes" then he can pick them up.  If it falls after the
question/answer I would rule it invalid, if it fell before, valid.

Per the ABT rules:

    4.2 VALID ROLLS.  Both dice must come to rest flat on the playing
    surface to the right of the bar; otherwise they are "cocked" and must
    be rerolled. In the event of dispute, a player who rerolls prior to
    receiving acknowledgment from his opponent that the dice are cocked
    will be at a disadvantage.

Phil Simborg  writes:

I believe if a dice lands on it's corner, or is cocked in any way, it is
deemed to be cocked if it comes to rest (stops moving). It doesn't matter
if the players had a chance to declare it cocked or not. Otherwise, a
player can wait until sunset for the die to fall if he liked the number on
the flat die.

Colin Owen  writes:

But when do you define that a die has come to rest, Phil?  A die may have
appeared to come to rest, then visibly shift and settle into an uncocked
position, quite possibly around 1-3 seconds later. (It's also possible it
could shift yet remain cocked.) If this happens without any outside
interference, like a player moving the table, blowing on the die(!) or an
earth tremor(!!) then it means that it had NOT stopped moving before, but
had only appeared to.  Such rolls should NOT be defined as cocked IMO.

David Rockwell  writes:

If the die stops moving for approximately one second, I immediately say
"cocked". And, I try to enforce that ruling whether it is in my favor or
not.  No one has ever challenged me on this.  And, it happens frequently on
my board.  I don't believe this is grounded in the rules.  It's just what I

Henrik Bukkjaer  writes:

Well, saying "cocked" before reaching out for the die, is exactly what I'm
asking for.  If you do exactly the same, without saying "cocked", then
things would start going wrong.  At least you give your opponent a heads-up
before reaching, and you give him half a second to react. I makes the world
of a difference IMHO.
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